From - Fri Mar 22 21:48:16 2002 Message-ID: <3C9B64E3.7D6C3EE9@earthops.net> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:07:47 +0000 From: Tiny Human Ferret Organization: copyright 2002 all rights reserved -- non-UseNet transmission prohibited. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.38 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: soc.retirement,alt.politics.immigration,alt.california,austin.general,dc.general Subject: Re: Byrd to delay Senate vote References: <3b701830eb4b2b544b30f30309867d0a@remailer.segfault.net> <3C9A1C18.EF572A07@courthouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.205.1.226 X-Trace: vienna7.his.com 1016816688 65.205.1.226 (22 Mar 2002 12:04:48 -0500) Lines: 333 X-Authenticated-User: tjh22isp Path: vienna7.his.com Xref: vienna7.his.com soc.retirement:7095 alt.politics.immigration:3470 alt.california:4374 austin.general:4733 dc.general:566 "Sue D. Nom" wrote: > > This country would be up shit creek without immigrants... legal and illegal. > Virtually everything you buy would cost much more. You talk of nannys and yard > folks, but that barely scratches the surface. Who the hell cleans all the chicken > you eat? Immigrants Do you mean Legal Immigrants or ILLEGAL ALIENS? > working at minimum wage with zero bennies and no control over > working conditions. Oh. You mean ILLEGAL ALIENS, not Legal Immigrants. > Who harvests the veggies you eat? Who slaughters and carves > the beef and pork you eat? Who builds the houses, pours the concrete, lays the > carpet, and sets the tile? Who collects garbage? Cleans your office and home? > Who busses the table at your faavorite restaurant? The same immigrants. You can > damn well bet that your house would cost twice as much as it does now if your > xenophobic immigration policies could be enforced. You'd be mowing your own lawn > because it would cost to much to hire someone. You know, it's funny. I used to bus tables when I was a teen/young-adult. I can't get one of those jobs today because they're all taken by illegal aliens. It's also funny, I used to work construction, did it for a few years. But I couldn't do that work today, because it's all being done by illegal aliens. I can't get a job with the local garbage-collection crew, because insane employment requirements of the local government require that only minority-owned contractors will get the contract, and the "minority" is Latino, and they only hire illegal aliens or other spanish-speaking people, so I _can't_ get work collecting garbage. But you know what's the most funny thing? The funniest thing is that, since I can't get any work because of the illegal aliens, I _have_ to cut my own lawn. And the funniest thing of all? When I cut my own lawn, on my own paid-for property (I used to make good money until all of the ILLEGAL ALIENS put me out of every non-government job I've ever had), and a truckload of ILLEGAL ALIENS drove by and stopped and yelled at me: "hey ju, don' ju cut no grass aroun' here, don' nobody but the spaneesh cut the grass aroun' here, ju better stop to cut the grass cause ju not spaneesh, ju goin' be sory!" And the most funny funny thing of all is that I got beaten by ILLEGAL ALIENS on MY OWN PROPERTY for DOING MY OWN YARDWORK. And this is within ten miles of Washington DC, the suburbs of which are SWARMING with illegal aliens and "refugees" from wars that have been over for as many as 30 years. Now, kindly to the world a favor and next time you open your yap with this crap about "we can't do without illegal aliens", stick a sock in it baybee because everytime you come out with this stupid CRAP I am going to let you have both barrels and it's gonna take you all week to get your foot out of your goddamned mouth. "Never bring a knife to a gunfight." But it seems you didn't bring anything to this fight except maybe about half a brain and that seems to be sleepwalking. Now, for true joy, now that you've got your foot all of the way in your mouth, let me help you chew. > > You must not think the free market works when it comes to people, but you are way > off base. when ILLEGAL ALIENS MAFIOSI beat my ass in MY OWN YARD for doing MY OWN YARDWORK, that is _hardly_ a free market! > a) there aren't enough 'natives' (whatever the hell that is) to fill > all the menial jobs. Every single person getting tossed off of Welfare within the next two months (when "Welfare as we know it" ends forever BY LAW) will suddenly be very available for anything, no matter how menial. But it appears that all of the jobs, that uneducated lifetime-Welfare people could do, are all taken up bu ILLEGAL ALIENS. > b) the 'natives' don't want to work menial, low paying jobs; > their skill sets almost always enable them to get better paying jobs. Tell that to the ghettoes full of people being thrown off of Welfare, who only ever had access to violence-ridden gangsta-infested broken-down school systems that only teach people how to sleep in class. > You see > immigration as a zero sum game and you are wrong again. "Keep the American worker > down". What Marxist claptrap. The reality is that the immigrants create an > increase in GDP, in taxes paid, in services and products purchased. Do you mean Legal Immigrants, or do you mean ILLEGAL ALIENS? ILLEGAL ALIENS are a massive net drain on public resources, especially in terms of the medical and prison systems, both of which are about to collapse under the weight of, respectively, skipped emergency-care billings, and incarceration of Criminal Aliens. > Immigration > keeps the cost of goods down. Do you mean Legal Immigration or do you mean the Illegal Invasion? > This country would be in a much more severe > recession than what we have now if only the 'natives' were working. You want to > support the "hardworking middle and upper class", whatever that is? Then do what > is necessary to reduce the costs of the necessities of life... food, shelter, and > clothing. Immigration does exactly that. I was going to ask you if you're simply barking Mad, however I prefer to utterly obliterate your pathetic arguments rather than rely on the self-evident insanity of your risable blanket assertion. How, then, does immigration (and do you mean Legal Immigration or the Illegal Invasion??) reduce the costs of the necessities of life? > Your perverse logic suggests that the > average American will be better off by paying more for scarcer goods and > services. Your insane conclusion -- evidently based on the misconception that ILLEGAL ALIENS are the sole factor governing prices and demand in the US -- appears to be that by increasing the number of ILLEGAL ALIENS, prices will go down and everyone will live happily ever after. How very fairy-tale. However, I'm afraid that we live in the real world. ILLEGAL ALIENS are a vast net cost to US society, culture, sovereignity, military readiness, homeland security, medical-emergency readiness, school-system effectiveness, prison capacity, police workload; and, -- being a complete idiot or a paid propagandist -- you want us to believe that we'll all be better off getting more of the above-listed problems, if we can only have cheaper lettuce? > Just explain how that contributes to additional disposable income for > the average worker. Which school of economics did you graduate from? Evidently, they graduated from a school of economics where the instructors were -- unlike whoever taught you -- _sane_. > > What this country needs is a work program that permits immigrants into the country > to work so they don't come in illegally. There are already about 20 of those. > Immigrants (legal or illegal) contribute > more than they take. You are either entirely uninformed, insane, or a liar. > Don't belive it? 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