From - Fri May 17 23:33:40 2002 From: david_l_simpson@yahoo.com (Dave Simpson) Newsgroups: alt.org.sierra-club,alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.greens Subject: Re: Sprawl insights Date: 17 May 2002 12:40:03 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 77 Message-ID: <23e7f86e.0205171140.509435d4@posting.google.com> References: <3CD2BB3B.220172B2@earthlink.net> <23e7f86e.0205041156.2a0fe8a0@posting.google.com> <23e7f86e.0205101125.60df8335@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.181.178.83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1021664403 506 127.0.0.1 (17 May 2002 19:40:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2002 19:40:03 GMT Path: vienna7.his.com!news.lightlink.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: vienna7.his.com alt.org.sierra-club:784 alt.politics.immigration:10477 alt.politics.greens:11561 STVFRMCO wrote: > The world's fish stocks are collapsing. This is the first sign of > over-consumption of resources. I have seen recent pictures taken from space > of the Amazon and the Russian Far East and the depletion of forests is > unsustainable. Most of Brazil is covered with dense smoke as people slash > and burn. China is developing hydropower and other facilities in order not to disappear under a vast cloud of coal smoke. China I also consider a threat in the future to take the Russian Far East from Russia, which is losing its grip on it. > > What I've stated is that if the trends continue, eventually (after > > we're gone) the population can decline in this and other nations, and > > the economy as well. What is more relevent to my and your and others' > > lives is the graying or aging of population as well as the big > > sell-off of assets if you have assets whose value you want to hold or > > rise prior to selling to finance your own retirement, and more > > universally the problems of financing retirement related social > > spending programs (likely to have been expanded in the future). The > > "Reconquista" is possible, > Sounds like a case of "Look out what you wish for, you just might get > it." --- with regard to those who wish for such a thing. Kind of like > Zimbabwe -- they wanted the whites out of the country and now they are > getting emergency food aid (from white countries, of course) to avert > starvation and anarchy. South Africa also has become so bad that the government, among other things, has withheld statistics on farm murders in places like KwaZulu-Natal province. I for one am glad the earlier regime, before dissolution, wiped out every trace (that we know of) of its nuclear weapons program. Since the end of white rule, South Africa is among the most violent if not the most violent nation on earth. This is not racism, but stating the plain truth (that at least some, who for years have been on the Net in South Africa, illustrating a relatively advanced state of development, have tried to continue to make plain and even have devoted Web pages to attracting attention to it). The Reconquista is possible, and even encouraged by groups here in the States. http://www.barnesreview.org/The__Reconquista_-Mexico_s_Dre/the__reconquista_-mexico_s_dre.html http://www.unm.edu/~ecdn/index.html http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/csrc/library/aztoc.html [various typical left-wing screech-insanity issues added such as supporting terrorists in the Middle East against Israel] http://www.aztlan.net/ http://www.panam.edu/orgs/mecha/nat.html http://www.aztlanunderground.com/intro.htm http://www.diversityalliance.org/docs/Chang-aztlan.html In practice, were it to occur, it would amount to Mexico's taking over not only land it lost in war, but also its "safety valve" in the Southwest USA, and a USA that perhaps expelled the Southwest before the Aztlan crowd were to demand secession. (This assumes cowardice toward expelling the Aztlan crowd.) http://www.canadafirst.net/immigration_rally/ http://dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Immigration/Reconquista/ http://www.avantel.net/~indexmex/inva.html Dave Simpson