From - Fri Aug 17 13:23:01 2001 Message-ID: <3B7C7B78.3F6E3B95@clark.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:03:36 -0400 From: Tiny Human Ferret Reply-To: klaatu@clark.net Organization: copyright 2001 all rights reserved -- non-UseNet transmission prohibited. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.politics,alt.politics.british,alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.org,alt.politics.uk,uk.politics Subject: Re: Concentration Camps of 2001 in the UK References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: earthops.org X-Trace: vienna7.his.com 998013820 earthops.org (16 Aug 2001 22:03:40 -0400) Lines: 87 Path: vienna7.his.com Xref: vienna7.his.com alt.politics:555945 alt.politics.british:412298 alt.politics.immigration:174241 alt.politics.org:3094 alt.politics.uk:16293 uk.politics:191308 rifleman1 wrote: > > What about the rights of the indiginous people not to have foriegn economic > migrants forced upon them, The refugees should stay at home and sort thire > own countries out not living of our meagre resources.> For what it's worth --(speaking as I do from the States)-- this is a rather ubiquitous complaint. But the fact of the matter is as follows: the people of the Third World are voting with their feet, even as the emerging TransNational Corporate Feudalism establishes itself, engaging in a "race to the bottom" in terms of seeking out those minor nations which have the very least regulation of pollution, worker safety, and pay. I really can't blame the exploited for their flight from exploitation in their homeland, but I can certainly disagree with their migration to areas where exploitative employers and governments shall seek to disempower the resident populations. It may be that perhaps the best approach is to ensure that there are no inequalities between the immigrants and the natives, that would ensure fair competition, let the best man win assuming that all is set out so that fair is fair and none will seem to get an advantage due to the "pathetic plight of the foreigner" portrayed in propaganda merely to set the native against the imported, to the benefit of only the exploiters. Seriously, as we've seen in the State, if you raise barriers against the legal immigrant, you only increase illegal immigration, and illegal immigration being increased, exploitation of the illegal immigrants follows. This exploitation following, it's aimed at breaking the Workers' Unions, to the benefit of only management, which is to say, the exploiters. Why else do you think it's happening in the manner that it does, along the lines that we see? Divide and Conquer, that's as old or older than Julius Caesar. This might at first seem quite mad to you, but think through all of the ramifications. Possibly you're better off making sure that the legal immigrants have quite the legal rights that you enjoy. As for the illegals, you must either actually keep them out entirely, or they will become an underclass used exploitatively to destroy the gains secured by your fathers in the Union or Labour (as I understand it, again, I'm speaking from the States) Movements. They'll be set out to undercut you if you don't actually keep them out, assuming that they're set at a disadvantage, believe me, they'll take lower pay and less benefits to keep from starvation, and they'll be a force to break your own position, in direct proportion to their numbers' ability to displace your own numbers. We're taking it up the arse here in the States over this, and I believe it's in direct proportion to the twin factors of the ambiguously/arbitrarily enforced near-draconian laws on illegal-immigrant employees and generally-unenforced bans on employment of the same, the second factor being the inherent corruption emerging from the ambiguous and arbitrary (pay me off, then, mate) enforcement of those bans all coupled with absolutely LAX enforcement of the customs at the border. People keep streaming in at the rate of some million or so per year. And so a ready and very large force is within the States, a vast area for enforcement, as opposed to the UK where you can easily spot them as they come in. They're here en-masse, ready to be used as a credible competitionary pool of employees, those who would Unionize are ready to believe that they can be replaced at any instant by barely trained rurals from Central America. I know that the origins of your British immigrants are different from ours, but the general approach is the same. Management is pitting the immigrants against the native-born, and it's all to shred worker solidarity. So, if you see people protesting the World Bank, the IMF, and the World Trade Commission, globally, you'll know why. Trust me on this if on nothing else, you're not alone, this is a global strike by the emerging TransNational Corporate Feudalism and their cronies in various National Governments who are quite prepared to betray their national fellows to get stockholder position in the emerging Transnational Corporate Feudalism. Feel free to shred my position as stated, if you think I'm wrong and you should feel up to accepting the challenge. If I'm wrong, I want to hear all about how and why I'm wrong; if I'm right, I suspect you shall know to whom you should address your complaints, whether or not you think anyone will heed your concerns. Oh, by the way, I'm not a communist or anything, gods forbid it! -but I find the emerging TransNational Corporate Feudalism to be rather too similar to both historic Feudalism and a sort of modern Techno Fascism for me to fail to protest against it. And it must be noted here that many of the classical Communist complaints against the worst failures of Capitalism, and the classical complaints of the Workers' Unions movement regarding the worst failures of Management and Unbridled Capitalism, are indeed properly directed against this new transnational corporate "race to the bottom" movement. Regulation must of course be properly applied, but only against the proper forces, we mustn't be drawn into merely adding fuel to the fires which cook the dinners of the true -- and apparently hidden in misdirection -- opposition. -- Whom thou'st vex'd waxeth wroth: Meow. <-----> http://earthops.net/klaatu/