From - Tue Mar 19 19:55:20 2002 Message-ID: <3C975996.9F41F23F@earthops.net> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:30:30 +0000 From: Tiny Human Ferret Organization: copyright 2002 all rights reserved -- non-UseNet transmission prohibited. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.38 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration Subject: Re: US employee reveals illegal aliens, fake SS #'s and Workers Comp claims References: <20020318025813.03934.00002066@mb-bh.aol.com> <4snl8.6894$aj2.1426573430@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com> <3C9605DC.E538B9CD@earthops.net> <3C966817.C406D7BA@earthops.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.205.1.226 X-Trace: vienna7.his.com 1016551734 65.205.1.226 (19 Mar 2002 10:28:54 -0500) Lines: 139 X-Authenticated-User: tjh22isp Path: vienna7.his.com Xref: vienna7.his.com alt.politics.immigration:3155 Lets Roll wrote: > > > > "Lets Roll" wrote in message > > > And I am on a roll this morning! There...is that better? > > > > Much. Now, you were saying something about fomenting Revolution? > > > > I just have to mention right here that we are supposed to get a Revolution > > -- a peaceful one -- at the ballot box every few years. I would say that > the > > ideal approach will be to get all of the voters sufficiently pissed off by > > Election Day that they do what they did in 1996, which was to turn almost > > all incumbents out of the House of Representatives. Especially after this > > last Presidential campaign and the protracted tenseness until the Supreme > > Court essentially appointed President Bush (yeah, I know he'd have won > > anyway, barely) --well, we should really give the electoral system one > more > > chance to work before getting down to serious agitation. > > > > -- > > Be kind to your neighbors, even though they be transgenic chimerae. > > Whom thou'st vex'd waxeth wroth: Meow. <-----> > http://earthops.net/klaatu/ > > Hello Tiny Human, we had this conversation once before, long ago. You make > very good and very reasonable arguments against violent revolution, and > advocate voting and peaceful revolution. The problem is that it does not > matter who we vote for at this point. There is an agenda within our > government that has nothing to do with the best interests of the American > citizens. No matter who is elected, we are going to lose our country if we > do not act, and very very soon. Do you not see that the immigration problem > is worldwide, and that the United States is not the only country having > unwanted immigrants thrust down their throats? Do you not see that the > United States, being who the United States is (oh world > power/leader/whateveryouwanttocallit), is going to be expected to lead the > way in open borders? Do you not see that the United States of America will > become the first nation in in history to *have no borders at all*? We are > the lab rats, my friend. Funny you should use those exact terms. Definitely see also: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~ozideas/poprus.htm However, from the excellent (if a bit dull at times, still very much worth it) SF novel _The Cassandra Complex_, Stableford, Brian, ISBN 0-765-34289-8 : Although, Miller, as a confirmed lover of aphorisms, as prepared to borrow telling phrases from the likes of Paul Ehrlich and Garrett Hardin, his actual teaching drew far more heavily on the hard data that had been patiently collated by Claire and W.M.S. Russell in "Population Crises and Population Cycles" in order to add statistical detail to their accounts of humankind's previous flirtations with extreme population density. Each such flirtation had been facilitated by a great leap forward in agricultural science or technologies of irrigation, and each one had its own ideosyncratic features by courtesy of its specific social context, but the raw numbers always told the same story. Case by case, from China and "monsoon Asia", through the near East and Europe to Moscow and the Andes, Miller followed the Russells' analysis of the rise and fall of civilizations in terms of the ecological impact of their numbers, bringing all known history and a substantial fraction of prehistory into a single, overarching, frame. The tide of figures was irrestible, and by the time Miller began to speak to his students about the predicament of the modern world, there was no room left for doubt _that the crisis of contemporary situation was new and unprecedented in only one significant respect: the fact that it was global._ [italics mine, --klaatu] "The numbers are larger than they have ever been before, of course," he said with awesome casualness, "and the technological efforts that have permitted their inflation have been bolder than could ever have been conceived of in any earlier era -- but the only truly significant difference is that the impending collapse, which we cannot avert, but only postpone, will no be localized. We shall not be making a little desert, or lateralizing the soil of a single plain; we shall be laying waste to the entire world. The survivors will hate and despise us for it. We shall seem far worse in their eyes than the conquering hordes of Attila the Hun or Ghengis Khan, because we are motivated not by dreams of glory, but by cowardice and willful blindness. They will be right to hate and despise us, because we know what we are doing and will not refuse to do it. They will know that we had a choice, and that what we chose to do was to destroy the world. Our gift to the children whose presence will bring about that destruction is a poisoned chalice from which billions will drink premature death. How can they help thinking of us as perverse as well as evil? why should they?" > And votes are not going to stop it. And it is > intended to pick up steam and happen well within our lifetimes. People of > other nations around the world are no more happy with their leaders > overrunning their countries with unwanted immigrants than are the American > citizens. If we want to truly be a world power, and real world leader, it > is up to the American people to take off the blindfolds, get off the couch, > and DO something for a change. Yes. And plunging America, as the last remaining superpower capable of global reach and global imposition of needful changes, into revolution and disarray and ripeness for the picking of every circling vulture, is not the answer. It may be the answer that most satisfies your own personal bloodlust, though personally I suspect you might feel a lot more inclined to reasoning out a less sanguinary solution if you were to go have a nice thick rare steak and take iron pills daily. Still, I agree that radical measures must be taken. However, open revolution in a classical mode is pretty much out of the question. > This is no small matter we speak of. It has > global proportions. See above, I am certainly well aware of that. > The elite currently in power will not willingly > surrender their aims easily. They would be very willing to kill any of us > to achieve those goals. They only pretend to stand higher ground than some > so called "evil doers" such as Saddam Hussein. I happen to believe that we > should force their hand, now, today, before they are truly ready, and less > bloodshed would occur, As President Bush has said, finally waking up to what SF writers have been telling everyone for about 50 years, "time is not on _our_ side". > as well as allowing us better opportunity to actually > regain control of our country before it is laid waste by their plans which > are already in motion and well on the way to fruition. The next election > will be too late. The United States will not exist as we know it by the > time George Bush's term is expired. The United States as we know it already doesn't exist. I bet nobody other than "us anti-immigration freaks" have noticed that the second the official Census effort was over, that's when the mad rush across the borders _tripled in pace_. -- Be kind to your neighbors, even though they be transgenic chimerae. Whom thou'st vex'd waxeth wroth: Meow. <-----> http://earthops.net/klaatu/