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Charles Lynch wrote:
> 
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> 
> > Charles Lynch wrote:
> > >
> > > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:

<snips a lot>

> > > > > But didn't you think global warming was going to be a good thing (grin)???
> > > >
> > > > No. Not in the least.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Charles Lynch
> > > > >
> > > > > PS (I don't recall your position on the matter, if ever stated, it's a joke...)
> > > >
> > > > It isn't remotely a joking matter.
> > > >
> > > > Please see http://www.earthops.net/klaatu/earth.html
> > > >
> > > > That might give you some idea of what my positions are.
> > >
> > > Of course, if  you go up a directory, there is all of the good old bigoted stuff.
> >
> > Really? Please list all of the bigoted pages at http://www.earthops.net/ 
> > List them, now. Put up or shut up.
> 
> Sure, you talk about "Mexico's Quiet Invasion". 

Actually, that is an article from _The Washington Post_.

> Dude, people who move here from
> Mexico are not "invading". 

Invade: 1. To enter for conquest or plunder. 2. To infringe; encroach on;
as, to invade the rights of the people. 3. To spread over, or through, esp.
injudiciously. [Webster's Collegiate]

> And why not talk about "Canada's Quiet Invasion".  Looks
> like bigotry to me.

No. Canadian illegal aliens are far outnumbered by Mexican illegal aliens.
Canadian illegal aliens are so far down the list they barely make the top
20. 

> 
> You talk about "Chinese Dog Slaughtering Practices", why 
> not talk about "Americans Cow Slaughtering Practices"?  
> You are certainly don't seem to be advocating any action to
> stop any of the practices, it comes across as a general 
> attack on Chinese (most of whom never eat dogs).  

That site was written by a Chinese in Hong Kong.

> Hey, you could do something on "Americans Dog Fighting Practices". 
> Looks like bigotry to me.

That's your opinion. That site shows a Chinese sucking the blood right out
of the leg of a whimpering German Shepard dog. 

And dog-fighting is outlawed in most US States, if not all of them.

> 
> You have links to FoundingFatherOrg (or whatever it is), 
> which includes attacks on the "Black is beautiful" as a statement.  
> You list this as "some political points of view".

I certainly do. I do not claim them as my own. You, however, are attributing
to me what is done by others. By your specious and pathetic attempt at
logic, you would condemn the Southern Poverty Law Center as "racist and
bigoted" because they have a page which points to "hate sites" on the
InterNet. 

Once again you do very little to support your own positions.

> If you
> think this is funny, or not yours, why not say so?  
> Some of  the viewpoints look pretty bigoted to me!

See above.

> And then there is stuff like this (copied from your "War" pages).

Do you mean http://www.earthops.net/thewar/ ? 

> "In other cities, in Houston, in Minneapolis, in the 
> Carolinas, expatriate communities began to feel the heat
> of the gangster way of life. It was vigorously proselytized 
> unto their youth by other youths, lean young men with 
> beautiful-and-available addicted girls, fast cars, 
> faster knives and silent deadly feet. When the
> older men (who remembered what had become of their homelands  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> at the hands of such men) began to organize resistances 
> within their communities, they were contacted by other such older
> men, who quite often killed them silently and effectively as 
> if long accustomed to such a workaday dispatching of men.

Are you, by including this, actually atempting to fly in the face of what's
well known to every police agency in the country? ALL immigrant communities
-- in fact all communities, period -- have some degree of problem with gangs
and gangsters. However, many illegal-alien gangs -- see
http://www.earthops.net/klaatu/alien_gangs.html -- are exceptionally
vicious.

Here are some links to the sources.


http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=q&sc=on&q=%2Basian+%2B%22home+invasions%22&kl=XX

First, from Australia:

http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/nca_ctte/ncaaoc/ncaaoc3.htm

From the US:

http://www.nagia.org/asian_youth_gangs1.htm

http://www.ipsn.org/asg08107.html

From Canada:

http://www.ncmonline.com/special-reports/2000-03-03/home.html

http://www.acjnet.org/docs/feardoj.html

See also http://earthops.net/immigration/asian-home-invasion1.txt

This isn't bigotry, it's called "reporting scary facts" or sometimes it's
just called "reporting the news". 



> The Latins from South- and Central-America found that 
> far from having left behind the barbarities of
> unwanted wars, the pervayors of those wars had left the 
> Latin lands to come north, bringing with them
> the weapons and the ways that had left so many a mother 
> crying desolate over her lifeless sons and
> daughters. Some merely shrugged in their expressive Latin way. 
> It was to be expected, was it not? There
> was far more money here in the land of the gringos 
> than in the south, where all legitimate profits were
> quickly eaten up with the graft to the filth on the one hand 
> and the payments to racketeers on the other hand. 
> Much too dangerous for a businessman in the south, no? 
> To be caught between the rurales and their graft and the 
> federales and their greater graft was to be caught in a crossfire;
> and to be caught between both and the racketeers was a 
> much worse thing. This was, after all, why so many
> had come north to look for work, they all came for the 
> abundant American dollar. Why should the criminals not
> come to rake up some of the money that fell everywhere 
> in this strange land of the anglos? In any case,
> the American police and intelligence services were utterly 
> inadequate to the task of penetrating the alliances formed  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> between the four-million and more illegal aliens, many of whom had ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> acquired extensive counterintelligence or insurgency experience 
> in their wartorn homelands."
> 
> Gee, am I the only one who ever reads your stuff??  There is a very clear anti-Latino
> slant to all of this, and I call it bigotry.
> 
> Is that enough?

It's enough to indicate that you have no reading comprehension skills, are
an outright liar of a propagandist, and probably are best classified as a
fool. 

Let's see, I point out the fact that there are many very dangerous
illegal-alien gangs operating in most major US cities -- that is a _fact_
you know, and you call this bigotry. Okay, you're a fool but everyone knew
that. 

And I guess you're suggesting that there was never a war in El Salvador? I
guess you're suggesting that there is not endemic corruption in Mexico,
sufficient as to make life almost impossible there for many people? Are you
suggesting the the US military never trained "Hit Squads" at the "School of
the Americas", said Hit Squads and Death Squads being trained for the
Centralamerican governments that the CIA wanted propped up against Communist
influences no matter the costs to the centralamerican citizens? This is all
very well documented and widely so, so widely as to be common knowledge,
especially this is well known within the Green and Liberal/Leftist
communities. It's even better known within the expatriate communities of
victims of these Death Squads and their guerilla-recruiter opposition. 

And in case you didn't know, when the Death Squad CIA-trained butchers came
at risk of being brought to Justice for their monstrous crimes, the CIA
promptly maneuvered for them to not only get Green Cards, but also annual
payments in perpetuity, and relocated them to the US... where the expatriate
communities are terrified to find that the butchers they fled are not just
living among them again, but are living among them as rich men with the
protection of the US government. 

So, you are not only a fool but an ignorant fool, else you are a willful
Revisionist. 

Furthermore, your reading comprehension truly sucks. If you can't tell a
sympathetic piece when you see it -- a passage detailing the horrors from
which people fled, and which horrors pursued them. 

Truly, this is astonishing. 

> 
> >
> >
> > The plain fact is that there are too many people globally, and too many
> > people in the US. In 1990 the US had finally reached a growth rate which
> > would lead to a very gradual and planned decline in population, which would
> > take a lot of load off of the environment, certainly it would remove a lot
> > of incentive to "Pave the Bay". Rather than endless Urban Sprawl devouring
> > arable or forest lands, or planting massive population centers in the middle
> > of deserts and requiring massive engineering projects to divert water
> > resource, we would have a rather steady-state situation in city sizes, with
> > economic growth and upwards-mobility opportunities in the process of
> > reclaiming "brownfields" in city centers, promoting revitalization and
> > re-inhabitation of city centers, with the suburbs also eventually becoming
> > rebuilt, probably with a lot more attention to urban/suburban greenbelts
> > with habitation densification and an increase in semi-natural habitat.
> >
> > However, starting in the mid 1990s, the country was overrun to the extent
> > that it experienced a completely unprecedented 15-percent increase of
> > population over not just one decade, but mostly over the last six years of
> > that decade, with all of that growth being the _direct result of excess
> > immigration, much of that being illegal overrunnings of the borders and
> > ports.
> >
> > And YOU and your ilk are responsible for the ecological calamities that will
> > result as all of these people get on their financial feet and demand their
> > own McMansions in formerly pristine or agricultural lands. When their very
> > large families mature and want _their_ McMansions, there won't be any
> > pristine lands left, not much air to breathe nor water to drink, but they'll
> > have their McMansions, won't they. Much good may it do them.
> 
> So, why don't you promote an Anti-McMansion movement?? 

I've been very active in the Montgomery County Maryland initiatives to limit
expansion outwards, and towards preservation of the Rural Heritage zones.
Briefly, you don't know what the hell you're talking about, nor to whom you
speak. 

> Oh, I forgot,
> YOU want YOUR McMansion!! 

See above. I loathe McMansions. My loathing of them drips as venom from
every sentence in the paragraphs quoted above. Again, your limited reading
comprehension skills are evident.

>  It is just others who shouldn't have them  Sheesh.

Once again, you're a fool who knows not whereof he speaks. I think they're a
goddamned abomination, a pox on the land, and the way that they build them
hereabouts, they built them in such a way and at such size and in such
locations, it's quite evident that in the futrue the developer-owners need
merely get in cahoots with the zoning board, change the zoning from
single-family to multiple-use and shazam, large detached dwellings occupying
1/5-acre on a 1/4-acre lots go from being exhorbitantly large single-family
homes into tolerably-sized high-density apartments housing six families in
three-rooms-and-a-bath with nothing more than the stroke of a pen and the
addition of six interior locking doors. In other words, instant ghetto, to
be filled with the poor who will stand on the edge of the permitted
expansion, and gaze outwards the the preserved rural heritage and begin
writing letters demanding the limits be expanded outwards, so that the
developer who owns that land can make a gajilliuon bucks and do the same
thing again another 20 years down the line. 

Clearly, you don't understand the issues or you are willfully trying to
obscure them. 

> 
> >
> >
> > YOU and your ilk are responsible, you fool who shouts "racist bigotry" every
> > single time you see the least objection to your insane policy of Open
> > Borders.
> 
> "Least objection"?  If that was true, I would be hoarse!!

You are not only hoarse, but really rather shrill in your reflexive
mindlessness. Please go away.

> 
> >
> >
> > When the rivers die, YOU will be to blame. When the wildlife ranges all
> > migrate north due to global climate change -- in net effects caused almost
> > _exclusively_ by the extremely high energy uses in the US and Canada and
> > some of Europe -- YOU and your ilk will be to blame.
> 
> Ah, you have a scapegoat!!  Since you don't have to do anything, you can go
> out and consume and pollute with a clear conscience, it is all *my* fault.

Absolutely not. I not only don't commute, but I spend about an hour a day
cleaning trash out of my yard. I don't pollute if I can avoid it and my
vehicles all pass very stringent emissions standards. My consumption of
anything other than InterNet is rather limited; I am not a wealthy person. 

Again, you make bald-faced accusations where they are neither germane nor
correct. Not only are trolling but you're exceptionally lame trying to
spread the pro-immigration/anti-greenspace-preservation equivalent of Fear
Uncertainty and Doubt. 

> 
> >
> >
> > But you're too busy laughing to yourself about how easy it was to get the
> > environmentalists to back down because they were afraid of YOU calling them
> > "bigots". I bet you're in the business of tearing down forests and putting
> > up McMansions. I bet you're laughing all of the way to the bank.
> 
> Nope.  Actually, I am trying to get the environmental movement to reach out and
> expand.  The Sierra Club seems to get it these days, despite the Freddies of this
> world.  You, I don't have much hope for.

Ah, so the Sierra Club is finally recognizing once again that uncontrolled
population exploson in the US -- almost entirely due to immigration, in the
last decade -- is the single greatest factor destroying rural and forest
areas in the US? Good for them, they'd been being far too PC and wishy-washy
for me to support so long as they turned a blind eye to excessive
immigration's effects on destroying America's natural heritage. 

> 
> >
> >
> > Well, not that I'm bigoted, other than towards Trout for which I like to
> > fish, but I really don't care what you call me, because I know you for what
> > you are: a goddamned selfish ogre chortling over how, with a mere word, you
> > were able to stop the environmental movement dead in its tracks.
> 
> Ah, to have such power!!  Hmm, okay, no more war!!! (did it work??)

One moment of support for runaway illegal immigration into the US makes you
my opponent for so long as you hold that position. I find myself on the
horns of an immense dilemma anytime I hear people supporting Gaianist/Green
positions on the one hand, and supporting illegal immigration on the other
hand: since the two positions are mutually-exclusive on the face of it, I
consider such persons to be insane. The easiest problem to fix is the
illegal-immigration problem and in any case it must be dealt with before
conserving the environment becomes remotely possible in any meaningful way. 

> 
> >
> >
> > > Funny, you want to "be kind to your neighbors" as long as they aren't from a
> > > different country.  Nerd blindness at it's best!
> >
> > Don't ever misrepresent me like this, fool. Or you will get more and worse,
> > and it just plain won't stop coming.
> 
> ?????? Or you will get more and worse,
> and it just plain won't stop coming.???????  So, what kind of threat is this?  More
> illogical postings, I presume?

I'm not the one being illogical here. 

Tell me how it's possible to meaningfully preserve (and even reclaim)
natural or near-natural environment in the US when the population is
increasing at the greatest rate ever? Tell me how to do that when almost all
population increase in the last decade was due to immigration.

Give me a _logical_ answer.

> 
> >
> >
> > I don't have any problem with neighbors from other countries _provided_ that
> > they came here legally, and are law-abiding while they remain.
> >
> > Now, what were you saying before you took your foot out of your mouth and
> > started telling lies about my website?
> 
> Look at your site again.  See my remarks above. 

See my remarks above. You've been shot down in flames and are evidently not
sensible enough to have known that is what to expect when you fly an
ultralight above a heavy AA emplacement. 

> BTW, a lot of your links are dead.

Some are. Too damned bad, the internet is a big place and sometimes things
go offline or move. Most of my links go someplace. 

> 
> Hey, at least you had a visitor!!

I get plenty of visitors. http://earthops.net/stats.html

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> 
> Charles Lynch
> 
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Charles Lynch
> >
> > --
> >     Be kind to your neighbors, even though they be transgenic chimerae.
> > Whom thou'st vex'd waxeth wroth:  Meow. <-----> http://earthops.net/klaatu/ 
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