From - Sun Apr 14 23:03:23 2002 Message-ID: <3CB8B2D7.A75549E1@earthops.net> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:36:07 +0000 From: Tiny Human Ferret Organization: copyright 2002 all rights reserved -- non-UseNet transmission prohibited. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.38 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Anchor Baby Taliban References: <3cb23305.103168872@news.starpower.net> <5aee3a60.0204111408.464e4dd3@posting.google.com> <3CB6F5CF.5DEC23A1@earthops.net> <3CB721EF.EAB847DF@earthops.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.205.1.226 X-Trace: vienna7.his.com 1018737142 65.205.1.226 (13 Apr 2002 18:32:22 -0400) Lines: 331 X-Authenticated-User: tjh22isp Path: vienna7.his.com Xref: vienna7.his.com alt.politics.immigration:6278 alt.politics.usa:121546 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:40937 Lets Roll wrote: > > "Tiny Human Ferret" wrote in message > news:3CB721EF.EAB847DF@earthops.net... > > Lets Roll wrote: > > > > > > "Tiny Human Ferret" wrote in message > > > news:3CB6F5CF.5DEC23A1@earthops.net... > > > > Lets Roll wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I will cease and desist only when the enemies of my country cease and > desist > > > in their efforts to steal my country. If my revulsion of them gives > them > > > comfort, then a ride out of town tarred, feathered, and on a rail should > put > > > them into ultimate ecstasy. > > > > It's not going to happen that way. You know very well that for each person > > you are able to rouse to some sort of righteous racist rage, there will be > > five people who will look at those racists with righteous revulsion... and > > the more the racists rage, the greater the revulsion and the greater the > > majority of those who are revolted. Thus, invoking racism as an excuse to > > take action on an issue which is inherently nationalist rather than racist, > > only discredits nationalism. > > No one has failed to notice the color of the locust swarm from the south, > least of all the locusts themselves. Personally I am more concerned about their total lack of respect for our laws, our language, and our way of life. I find it absolutely intolerable that they come here, aid management in starving out the working-class American, especially the working poor. I find it even more troublesome that many of those who come here were criminals in their own countries, sometimes major criminals. But the worst of all is when they are able to enlist the aid of my own fellow Americans to attack me... because _you_ or someone like you has made it seem that this isn't about Homeland Security or protecting the American Way of Life or even the Constitution itself. What _you_ and people like you have done is to make every non-white in the country that mucb more likely to aid-and-abet Illegal Aliens. In short, all you are doing is creating allies for the enemy. > I listened when the 10 o'clock news > told me that all the candidates presented by both parties to run for the > office of governor were selected based on their race, not their > qualifications. That speaks loudly and clearly that our own > government/korporate whores have recognized it is indeed a race war. And it > looks to me like our government has changed horses in mid-stream, electing > themselves to survive by joining what they see as the winning team. Rats > leave sinking ships. Fact of nature. > > As the enemy chooses sheer numbers as his weapon of choice to assault us, so > does he choose to fling our own worst fear in our face as his weapon of > choice with which to defend. The sword of "racist" is always near to hand. > Excellent weapon of choice for our enemy. And you are creating allies for our enemies with any racist remarks that you make. Here is an example. I go shopping, and I can assure you that my face, my address, everything about me is very well-known to the illegal aliens and their supporters in my area. Trust me, they see me coming. Or more likely, they get cellphone calls that tell them that I'm coming. However this is done, the important part is this: I might walk into a place where I quietly choose, where possible, to not deal with the persons I suspect of being here illegally, or here as a "refugee" from a war that was done with a dozen years ago. They know this. So, do you know what they do? They tell the black people that work there that "he don wan do no beesiness with mi, he is, what you call, racist". And do you know what? All you have to tell some black folks -- especially the ones who are old enough to remember the Klan, etc -- that someone's a racist, they don't bother to check the facts. They just hurt someone. I think this sucks... because people like you _allow_ black Americans to associate Nationalism with Racism. I want nothing more than to totally separate the issues... because so long as those issues aren't 100-percent separate _in the minds of everyone_, any Illegal Alien can have their own private instant hit-man simply by telling some black man that an Immigration Reform activist is nothing but a dirty hood-wearing Klansman. In my case I am purely nationalist. If some black person fucks me up because _you_ can't keep racism separate from nationalism, then _you_ are the one I am going to blame along with the illegal alien who misled my fellow citizen into thinking I was a racist. > It is a weapon of our own making, > the greatest fear we have collectively as a people. See above. > If we are going to win > this war, we are going to have to face our fears of racism. Racism sucks. If you're going to hate an enemy, hate them for what they've done, not for what they are. They can change what they do, they cannot change what they are. > We are going to > have to remove that weapon of defense from the hand of our enemy. Yes, it's really very easy to do. Stop being a racist. Stop _permitting_ this ready weapon to fall into the hands of the enemy, which the enemy can use to turn American against American. > We > created it, and now we are going have to tame it. Nothing can be > accomplished until that card is on the table. If you stop playing the race card, if you take it entirely out of the deck, then _nobody_ can play it. > > I don't give a flying rip at a rolling donut what kind of "rage" is awakened > in the American people, how righteous it is, or what it is primarily based > on. I just want them to wake to hell up. They're not going to wake up because you're touting the same old boring racism. However, if you deliver a nationalist message that cannot possibly be classified as the same old boring racism, _that_ will be such a shock that they'll sit up and take notice. > If shock treatment is needed to > get them out of their doldrums, then racism is one sure fire way to snap > them to attention, no matter what color they are, or which side of the fence > they are on. Either way, my mission of at least getting them to think about > the issue at hand, our national survival, has been accomplished. Not at all. They will just dismiss you as that same old boring racist talking that same old boring racist crap. > I even > admit to a personal satisfaction at getting in a few cheap shots at the > enemy; even if they are cheap, they are still shots. They're live ammunition you've handed the enemy to pass out to those who are gunning for you. > I have no lofty aims of being any revolutionary leader, so have no real > reputation to protect. I do. You know how you keep bitching about how everyone on Capitol Hill is a whore in the pay of transnational corporations, determined to perpetrate and perpetuate the Invasion? I intend to replace one of those people. But I cannot possibly get elected if I am associated in the public mind with racism. No Congressperson, no Senator, and no President is going to, for a moment, have their opposition be enabled to tar them as being a panderer to racists. If you are giving Capitol Hill the choice between pandering to racists, or pandering to business, if they want to get re-elected, they're going to pander to business. _this_ is why they keep the borders wide open. > I could really care less what anyone thinks of me > personally. My only goal is to rattle the little cages and get the balls > rolling. I don't really care that I am branded racist. I *am* a racist, > from the perspective of my national security, and my country is threatened Racism != National-Security. > with a race war that spells the end of my nation. You see, I have arrived > at the conclusion that Americans *are* a race, all by themselves. We come > in all shapes, sizes, backgrounds, and even colors; but we are all > Americans. That's not "race". That's "culture" or "nationality". > You cannot deny that any American, no matter how high or low his > position in life, does posses some quality that makes them *different.* It's the culture, it's the political system, it's the US Constitution. > That is what I see will be lost, and it is being lost through a war that all > parties have recognized as a race war except those under assault. I'll be kinder than I need be and suggest that "perhaps you're being just a trifle more agitated than is necessary just yet". > > > > > > May I suggest you grow some teeth and stop > > > molly coddling the enemy? They thrive off PC people like yourself. > > > > If you think I'm "PC", either you have forgotten to whom you address > > yourself, or you're not you, just some sockpuppet masquerading as "Let's > > Roll". > > > > You have a very fine and bright mind. But your depth of thought leads you > too far into the woods to see the trees sometimes I think. Oh, not at all. Let's just say that I've been on the receiving end of an awful lot of racism, and I cannot in good conscience do unto others that which I cannot abide when it's done to me. > > > 1. America's enemies are not all from Mexico. Focussing exclusively on > > Mexican illegal aliens isn't benefitting anyone. Why don't you think about, > > for instance, Iraqi illegal aliens? There may not be as many of them but > > they may proportionately be all the more dangerous. Think about it, one of > > them with a good understanding of English might get ahold of a US-based > > internet account, and fan the fires of racism, which would only get > > Immigration Reformers a bad name, which would do nothing to get Border > > Security upgraded, which would do nothing other than pit citizen against > > citizen in a deadlock of futility while in the meantime the borders continue > > to be overrun, and the ports infiltrated by "students" bent on assembling > > the components of weapons of mass destruction or mass disruption. > > > > You have just described what is already happening in our country. Fears of > racism have systematically been instilled in the American people for the > past 30 years. Those are the walls we have to break down before we can > begin to move forward on any front in our national security. Are you actually suggesting that only by becoming racists can we save America? doesn't that come under the heading of "we had to destroy it in order to save it"? > We are stymied > in preventing terrorism or invasion of our country until we address those > fears head on. Oh, we can address the fears. For instance, I think President Bush did a very good job of addressing those fears when he requested that nobody even think of running right out and lynching some Muslims, leave that up to the FBI. The problem that I have with your approach is that it totally goes against the basic principle of Justice which is "it is better to free the guilty than to convict the innocent". If you're being shot at by one person in a crowd, and you napalm the whole crowd, you may have done the right thing, or you may have napalmed one guilty person along with 999 innocents. Thus, rage against the specific offenders, not against everyone who looks like them. We cannot abide illegal aliens, but that's no reason to hate the Mexicans that stay in Mexico, just because they're relatives of the illegal aliens. That's like hating a judge because his cousin's a criminal. > It is time to put a stop to every inch of it, and Mexico > just happens to make up nearly 50% of the problem. Exactly, so why hate Americans of latino ancestry? > > > 2. I am not molly-coddling the enemy. I am not mollycoddling illegal aliens. > > I am not mollycoddling anyone. I am particularly disinclined to mollycoddle > > anyone peddling emotionalist racism and violence, when the only possible > > effective approach is going to be a highly-rational approach based on > > nationalist goals. > > > > And that is where we diverge. When survival is at stake, the ends justify > the means. I might live to regret it; key word "live." Shoot first and ask questions later sometimes will get you killed as badly as just plain shooting for no reason. > > > As for growing some teeth, I've got all I need, thanks; you might want to > > read up on the legend of Cadmus and the dragon's teeth. Remember, the > > borders will be better secured by 100,000 border troops backed by the > > dedicated support of the electorate and the full might and organizational > > tools of the Pentagon, than they'll be secured by 1000 racists being chased > > by 5000 PC idiots. > > > You delude yourself into believing our government ever actually intends to > take control of our borders except to keep them wide open to all comers. We shall see. In the meantime, try to not hand out ammunition to the enemy. > > > Remember, President Bush may not have any time to read or write to UseNet > > anymore, or maybe he does read but doesn't write. I remember an article in > > the _Post_ where he said he had to give up posting to UseNet because, > hell, > > if he wants people to know what he thinks he can just call a press > > conference and pre-empt every broadcast station. However, he's certainly > > familiar with UseNet and if he or anyone else of any actual signficance is > > reading these discussions, they might find it highly amusing to put the > bee > > in your bonnet by doing exactly what makes you maddest, figuring -- > probably > > rightly -- that most of the public disagrees with racist characterizations > > of Mexicans as "taco monkeys" or whatever, and that the public would tend > to > > support whoever pisses you off the most. So, if you want things to be done > > that please you, try to not be grossly offensive to those who have to > decide > > who they want to please. They're not going to please the nastiest person > > they can read, they're going to try to please the one who makes their case > > with the greatest combinations of supporting documentation, rational > > presentation, clarity, and emotional stability combining with unassailable > > rhetoric. You do have a way with words and that is good. However, you only > > damage the cause of Immigration Reform and Border Security when you start > > talking shit. > > > > -- > > OK, what you just told me above is to mind my political manners so as not to > offend those who have the decision making power and the power to make my > life miserable. I hate to burst your bubble, but I am not about to go > Machevellian. It's the only possible way to win this. > I have a bad habit of saying what I mean and meaning what I > say. Although I do admit to being overcome with sarcasm from time to time. > Surely the powers that be have better things to do than surf the internet > for hours as trolls. If they don't, what are they doing mith my tax dollars > now??? If they are surfing around allowing comments in this paltry little > NG affect their decison making processes, then why sugar coat my comments? Because they might just say, you know, that poster was making sense to me right up to the point where it all came out that this isn't about anything but rationalization of racist hatred. In short, you just get dismissed as a crank, of which there is no shortage on UseNet. > The only wheel that gets greased is the one that squeaks. You can put me on > the record for being fighting mad about your treason, Mr. Bush. And that is > fighting mad with a capital "E" for "Emotion". Well, try writing your representative, but you'll definitely get farther if you leave the racism out of it. -- Be kind to your neighbors, even though they be transgenic chimerae. Whom thou'st vex'd waxeth wroth: Meow. <-----> http://earthops.net/klaatu/